Climate Change - Is it now Too Late.

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Following is from The Guardian
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Strikers in the UK will focus on the forthcoming election, which they have vowed to make a “climate election” by demonstrating the growing public concern about the ecological crisis.

The events in Britain are part of a global climate strike by tens of thousands of people in more than 150 countries from Chile to Madrid in Spain, where next week’s UN climate summit will take place.

The action comes after more alarming news on the scale and scope of the climate crisis. This week scientists warned the world may already have crossed a series of climate tipping points posing an “existential threat to civilisation”.

Two days earlier a separate study from the UN’s World Meteorological Organization revealed that the concentration of climate-heating greenhouse gases in the earth’s atmosphere has hit a record high.
The climate crisis has emerged as one of the key issues in the UK election. On Thursday evening all the main party leaders – except the prime minister, Boris Johnson, who refused to participate – took part in a climate and nature TV debate.

Beth Irving, from the UK Student Climate Network, which helped organise Friday’s strikes, said it was crucial political leaders were held to account over their plans to tackle the emergency.

“The upcoming election will determine how the UK addresses climate change, with significant effects for the planet and its people. We have just a small window of time for action and the next few years are crucial.”
The strikes are part of a global movement that began in August last year when Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old schoolgirl, began a weekly solo protest outside Sweden’s parliament. Since then millions of people in thousands of towns and cities around the world have taken part in an effort to raise the alarm.

Public concern over the climate is now at its highest recorded level, while a majority of voters say climate will influence how they vote in the upcoming election. Last month, 300,000 people in the UK joined the last Global Climate Strike, which coincided with the United Nations Climate Summit.

Irving said: “Over the last months, young people have taken to the streets to demand strong climate action but many of us cannot vote; this week we will be taking to the streets to make our voices heard. This must be a climate election.”
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Well once again we seem to be "upset" at the state of affairs with CChange. Bearing in mind that our country is probably the world leader in this issue I can't understand why we do not take the problem further afield - to the countries that will not do the right thing. Causing disruption and mayhem to put right the woes of the world whilst other people are blissfully unaware that there is a clear and present danger to everyone if they do not change their ways is hardly going to do any good at all.

I'm of the opinion that we need a full and comprehensive educational programme which engages the population of the entire planet. It should have been done years ago, but this laid back idea of doing the best you can will suffice is simply not on.

Its time for real action from the countries that are not doing what is needed. Name and Shame and put on as much pressure as possible. The time has come for action, but not the way we seem to be exercising it.
 
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#2
You have to remember that the Guardian is a Labour supporting paper and as such a lot of the stories it publishes will be biased and constructed in such a way as to make the tories out to be bad boys.
 
#3
Planet’s Already Reached Climate Tipping Point.

Following from Thursdays Daily Mail (page 19).

Nine Key “Tipping Points” that will lead to catastrophic climate change have already been reached, warn leading scientists.
They say that so much damage has been done in these nine areas that the effects of global warming could accelerate and create a domino effect, threatening humanity. The tipping Points, the authors say, are;
A loss of sea ice in the Arctic and Antarctic
Loss of ice in Greenland
Thawing of permafrost in Russia
Large-scale die-offs of coral
A slowdown of ocean currents in the Atlantic
Droughts in the Amazon Rain Forest
and Fires in the far north of Canada and Russia.
The scientists, writing in the journal Nature, said urgent action was needed to reduce emissions before further milestones are passed.
One of the team, Johan Rockstrom, of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said experts had underestimated the risks of “unleashing irreversible changes where the planet self-amplifies global warming”.


well looks like the right wing of the press are on to this one also. I'm wondering if I will see such a thing as the "Eco Police" in my lifetime. I'm sure they will emerge in due course.
To get on my bandwagon - I am still waiting for the powers that be to start talking about population control because that's the "Flea in the Ointment" in my opinion - more people - more pollution and carbon therefore more global warming and resultant climate change.


Slightly change the lyrics to this one and we're on our way don't you think
https://www.bing.com/search?q=eve+o...s=n&sk=&cvid=acfd776b9d214e7497e276be23837808
 
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#3



Planet’s Already Reached Climate Tipping Point.

Following from Thursdays Daily Mail (page 19).

Nine Key “Tipping Points” that will lead to catastrophic climate change have already been reached, warn leading scientists.
They say that so much damage has been done in these nine areas that the effects of global warming could accelerate and create a domino effect, threatening humanity. The tipping Points, the authors say, are;
A loss of sea ice in the Arctic and Antarctic My house is on a hill
Loss of ice in Greenland - At last can really be green
Thawing of permafrost in Russia Might drown Putin
Large-scale die-offs of coral Don't use it to scrub back any longer
A slowdown of ocean currents in the Atlantic Nice leisurely swim at last
Droughts in the Amazon Rain Forest Oops, shortage of beer
and Fires in the far north of Canada and Russia. Shouldn't play with matches
The scientists, writing in the journal Nature, said urgent action was needed to reduce emissions before further milestones are passed.
One of the team, Johan Rockstrom, of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said experts had underestimated the risks of “unleashing irreversible changes where the planet self-amplifies global warming”.


well looks like the right wing of the press are on to this one also. I'm wondering if I will see such a thing as the "Eco Police" in my lifetime. I'm sure they will emerge in due course.
To get on my bandwagon - I am still waiting for the powers that be to start talking about population control because that's the "Flea in the Ointment" in my opinion - more people - more pollution and carbon therefore more global warming and resultant climate change.


Slightly change the lyrics to this one and we're on our way don't you think
https://www.bing.com/search?q=eve+o...s=n&sk=&cvid=acfd776b9d214e7497e276be23837808
 
#6
Not a disbeliever Smithers, I do believe we are damaging it but I also believe that it is overhyped and all this get rid of cars and aeroplanes is complete crap.
You cant get rid of one thing until you can replace it with something else.
 
#7
If anyone is at all interested in this subject, there are some excellent books by Prof James Lovelock. They are available at the library's and contain stacks of info. His main point is Giah.
He believes that the planet is Self Adjusting (or has been up to now) it all started going wobbly during the mid 1800s when the Industrial Revolution began.
Here's a link to this centenarians wherewithal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lovelock
 
#8
Further to the above. What really is scary is that certain people are considering messing with the atmosphere and so help to get things sorted out. Problem is, the whole shooting match is so complicated they could make matters worse (if that's possible)
 

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#11
We really need to get down on this and have proper discussions.

I did fully agree with the bit about Greta Thunberg that she is being used and they are hiding behind her.
 
#12
I lived in Libya for 2½ years from mid-1959 to December 1962, I got married to an Italian lady and took her back to Libya for my last 1½ years, the temperature could reach well over 100% during the day time, which did not bother us.

In December 1962 we came back to the Uk, that winter was one of the worst on record, (my wife wanted to get right back on the plane and fly back home it was so cold) people were trapped in their homes and could not get out, in some place where I live the snow was 10feet deep, it was really bad, for everybody.

My point in this is that we where told by scientists that this was the start of a new ice age, the Thames was frozen over, and we would be able to have BBQ’s on the ice, the world was on the brink of collapse, and all farm animals would have to live the whole of their lives in sheds as they would not be able to survive outside. It did not happen.

We now have those same so called scientists saying we are all now doom because of global warming, the ice caps will melt and every one will die!
We heard all of this in 1962 with the ice age, the worlds temperatures change and always have done, there is a change at the moment but it will even itself out as it always has done since time began.






 
#13
Wow what a “Cage Rattler” this video is. It reminds me of the joke where all the dumb blondes in the land get together and they have a big stage set in the middle of the hall with a blonde on it to answer a few questions.
The interviewer explains that everyone is sick of these silly “blonde” jokes and just to make sure everyone is aware that it’s not so, questions will be given for this blonde person to answer.
So they give the first question – what is 432 and 123. the answer is given 27.
Give the blonde a chance, give the blonde a chance scream the audience.
Ok says the interviewer and asks what is 25 and 13 the answer is given 5066.
Give the blonde a chance, give the blonde a chance scream the audience.
Ok, one last go says the interviewer. What is 10 and 15 the answer is given 25.
Give the blonde a chance, give the blonde a chance says the audience.!!!!
However the nice looking lady in this video is no dumb blonde. She was very probably paid a hansom fee for this little effort and in my opinion is the sharp end of American business strategy. Yes even though the planet is suffering, profit must come first. It looks like the whole world will be doing the right thing, but America will be doing the Profiteering as usual.
Just for the record, all the climate change articles which have been derided have been endorsed by people like James Lovelock, David Attenborough and others of equal standing. (all of whom have nothing to gain) so lets give politics and politicians a rain check on this one please, we all know – they say whatever is necessary to get/maintain power and that’s it.
Fires in the Arctic Circle for the first time ever.
Flooding consistently getting worse and worse worldwide.
Just look at the news if you want any further info.
 
#14
I have another theory about this Monty and that it is about money, the yank who started all this I can’t rember his name now he was so insignificant, has made loads of money out this global warming stuff.

Do you remember some years ago all hell broke loose as it was discovered that your gas in your fridge/freezer was destroying the ozone layer, and we all had to get rid of our fridges/freezer. But what happened was when it was re-examined was that the ozone layer had in fact thickened.

Maybe it’s just me, but after making all that money selling us new fridges/freezers, they now have to come up with another way of making money, so lets have windmills all over the place, and solar panels.

Brilliant!! wonder what they will come up with next to make to make money. O! they already have electric cars we all have to get rid of our petrol and diesel cars that should make a few quid.
 
#15
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#16
I don't want to be seen as arguing with anyone but after watching that video twice it really has made
me think that it is all a scam by someone.

I remember when we were warned that a new iceage was starting and now they are saying the planet is
warming. You can't have it both ways. They said the ice cap would be gone by 2020 and here we are
20 years later and it is still there.

Sorry believers but I'm taking this all with a pinch of salt in the future until someone actually produces
some undeniable evidence.
 
#17
I think that video certainly throws doubt on the whole subject.
I think the biggest error for this brigade was the inclusion of the Brat
Thornberg, she has no credibility and is so unconvincing.
 
#19
Thanks for your interest, at least I have put Climate Change on the map as far as this website goes.

I can understand all of your criticisms’ on this subject, it is hard to trust anyone the way our politicians use half truths and blatant lies on a regular basis.
So you have to look at the people behind the report – whatever the report is. If there is money involved then you have to look even harder.

So here are a couple of links which I hope you have the time to watch and perhaps the videos will help to give you a better understanding of the state of play.

Just a quick word on my hero Professor James Lovelock.
He was one of the first scientists to realize that CFCs were the villain of the piece of Ozone Depletion and asked for funds to do further research into this. The powers that be refused to give him any help apart from that he was allowed to go on a research ship, using his own time and equipment to carry out his essential measurements to prove his point – all he got was free passage.
At this point in time CFCs were thought to be benign and not worth the effort of checking out, his efforts were thought to be a complete waste of time – how wrong could anyone be.
So as things stand we are getting to grips with this part of the Climate Change Equation if we all try that little bit harder perhaps we can get everything back on an even keel again.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...5F7D8340F3DCA34B57425F7D8340F3DCA34&FORM=VIRE

https://www.thextraordinary.org/james-lovelock
 
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#20
On the opening day of climate conference, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned that if the world’s greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced by 7.6% each year the impact on the planet will be “Catastrophic”, and called for the world’s biggest polluters to take responsibility.

Our country is one of the best and most responsible in the world on this issue, but we need to get the message out to those responsible.

Don’t Fly unless it is really necessary.
Don’t use your car unless you have thought it through.
Cut back on meat eating.
Smile – what will be, will be, so enjoy life just the same.
 

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